Shade Stone: Revelations on Revelation [King Hero Interview]

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Mar 5, 2023 08:22pm

By Beth Martens

Under King Hero Interviews & The Bible

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6 comments

Shade Stone

Hello Kim...Thank You for your input. The short answer is that there are plenty of Scholars that date The Book of Revelation before 70AD. They argue over the 30 year discrepancy. The longer answer is that I would suggest that Revelation times itself before the Roman Jewish war in 70AD. These letters written to the '7 churches in Asia' really existed at the time of these writings before 70AD. These are not letters written to us in Canada in 2023. Paul for example writes to the 'Colossians' in Chapter 4:16: 'After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea.' Laodicea is a church that existed before 70AD...and Colossians was written before 70AD...therefore Laodicea existed before 70AD and that's why they were being warned to be alert for the destruction of Israel was 'at hand'. Revelation 11:2 is showing the destruction of the Temple back in 70AD, and therefore it must have been written while the Temple of the first century was still standing which is before 70AD. Revelation 17 has '5 kings that have fallen'. That is past tense. The answer is clear: It's the 5 Caesars before Nero: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius. This times the Book of Revelation at the time of Nero which started 54AD. Hopefully this is helpful in suggesting that The Book of Revelation dates itself prior to 70AD, so we do not have to rely on 'Scholars'...we can simply use the Book itself to date itself. I personally think it is evident that it was written prior to 70AD. Thanks again for the great question! Grace & Peace.

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Scott Hunnicutt

It's amazing that folks can read "in this Generation," and "coming soon," and then do the gymnastics to say this has yet to be fulfilled. I give two main reasons that have overlap with the talk.

1) Here's what's happening to the people after the stoning of Stephen (Acts8); "On that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem; and they were scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria...But Saul began ravaging the church, entering house after house; and dragging off men and women, he would put them in prison (8:1, 3). Acts 9:1, "Now Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord..." The years to follow for the new believers would have been very hard under such circumstances. It didn't stop with Saul/Paul's conversion. Loss of family to prison and/or murder, livelihood, homes, etc. The people needed encouragement to know that the "man" who spoke of a severe judgment would fulfil his word against apostate Israel (Matt 24). Surely the Seven Churches to whom John addressed weren't supposed to understand something different, "You say what?! Your going to do this in 2,000 years? I'm outta of here." Look at what the Jewish leaders were saying when condemning Jesus, "His blood be on us and our children" Matt 27:25 (Wow!, drag your children into this guilt party too!), "Away with Him, away with Him, crucify Him!...We have no king but Caesar" (John 19:15). They showed their allegiance to Caesar and not God! They condemned themselves in rage against His message. Now John, given insight, was showing what was going to happen "soon" against such apostates. John's revelation gave hope and courage to those who lost so much. Otherwise why keep on hanging on for empty promises, better to go back to living like before. They were given insights into the spiritual realm like never before--they would understand the language, hyperbole, symbology, and numbers spoken because they lived in those relevant times. We struggle to make sense of much of the talk, yet many today try grand and wild interpretations attempting to construct a puzzle that wasn't made for modern times; many times laughable.

2) 70 A.D. was an act of coming "soon" judgement not the "end of the age" or final coming. The disciples asked Jesus before He ascended; "Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts 1:6). Jesus gives them a short statement, and then, "He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight" (1:9). Then "men in white clothing stood beside them; and they also said, 'Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven' " (Acts1:10-11). No one was resurrected or transformed in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple--that will come "in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet" (1 Cor 15:52).

To me, the historical perspective (written before the destruction) makes so much better sense than what is taught today and it changes how I read the Bible. It gives me a realistic and different perspective of what the early believers had to go through in the initiation of Christianity. We live from these truths and take from them how we can live in the promises made. No doubt, those who hold to the futuristic perspective will try to make or force modern teachings to happen. I don't quite see how Rome will be resurrected and rebuilt. Maybe someone will attempt to rebuild the "Temple" and implement the Law and animal sacrifice again and say, "see, they built it again! It's all starting to happen." There are lots of principles and truths for us today in Revelations that help us live out our faith but it is pretty clear in His short ministry time, Jesus came to call the people to redemption and become part of the Kingdom at hand, while proclaiming the finality of the old system of Temple worship: "the axe is already laid at the root of the trees.", and "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!" Jesus was very harsh in this judgement talk throughout His ministry, and it happened: John relayed that judgement message to the newly created Church and they understood and took it for truth, and not only did they survive, they flourished.

Now we live and work in an anticipated 2nd Coming. Sure, we want some better connection to End Times, something relevant for our day--that's why we have the Spirit of Christ! If I had my guess, the people of God will begin to have a sense of what is to come but it won't revolve around the historical book of Revelation.